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I was wondering if there are any successful remakes of remakes as I can't seem to think of any (I am sure after I post this I will think of a few)

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Here Comes Mr. Jordan, Heaven Can Wait, Down to Earth is the first one that popped into my mind, although the definition of "successful" can be debated, with the diminishing returns by the final iteration. The original verison in 1941 with Robert Montgomery as boxer Joe Pendleton trying to fight heavenly bureaucracy by inhabiting another body on Earth (with Claude Rains as his guardian angel) was a success by any measurement (and I wrote a review for it a long, long time ago at my site, here). Then the 1978 remake with Warren Beatty as Joe Pendleton the quarterback and James Mason as the angel made bucks on Beatty's drawing power more than anything else (although, it did garner some critical accolades). And then they trotted out Chris Rock in 2001's Down to Earth playing against type as a comedian trying to get back to the stage in the body of an old white businessman, with Chazz Palminteri phoning in a "Made" angel character. According to the numbers on IMDb, the picture grossed double it's $30 million budget, so a success by the numbers at least.

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We're getting a Ben-Hur this year, aren't we? That's the remake of the Fifties version that I believe was a remake of a silent take on the same material.

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I wonder what some of the parameters should be when discussing this phenomenon. We probably don't mean multiple adaptations of very familiar written material, in situations where the book or play is being adapted rather than a previous film being remade. What I mean, for example, is that the countless versions of A Christmas Carol probably don't count. However, Ben-Hur is a good example, because the remakes seem to be based on the earlier films rather than Lew Wallace's novel. I also wouldn't count the various incarnations of The Great Gatsby or Casino Royale (don't forget the early American television version) because each adaptation owes very little to previous versions.

There are some examples which are clearly remakes, as when no literary precursor exists. For example, there are three versions of Not of This Earth, each one less regarded by critics than the last. So there's an instance where I don't think we can count them as "successful."

How about The Mark of Zorro, in its 1920, 1940, and 1974 versions? The last was made for TV, and uses exactly the same script as the 1940 version. (I wouldn't necessarily count all the other Zorro movies, since that seems to be more a case of a famous character being recycled, like Tarzan or Sherlock Holmes. But I would count these three, as the remakes seem to be based on the earlier films rather than the original pulp story "The Curse of Capistrano.")

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I agree with Victoria. Otherwise, you have an immense string of Draculas, Frankensteins, and others. I would not call Hammer's Horror of Dracula a remake of Universal's Dracula. I would, however, say that John Badham's Dracula with Frank Langella in the lead role IS a remake of Tod Browning's Dracula as it lifts from the same play/screenplay.


A Star is Born (1934) - Janet Gaynor and Frederic March - remade in 1954 with Judy Garland and James Mason; remade in 1976 with Barbra Streisand and Kris Kristofferson; and soon to be remade again in 2017 with Lady Gaga and Chris Cooper. (All of them were big hits - hence why they keep being remade)

Stella Dallas (1925) with Ronald Colman is remade in 1937 with the great Barbara Stanwyck as the self-sacrificing mother. 54 years later, it is remade in 1990 as Stella with Bette Midler, Trini Alverado, Stephen Collins, and John Goodman (Don't know about the 1925 version, but the role was among Stanwyck's signatures. I think Midler's movie made its investment, but probably was not a major success. I saw it in the theatre with my wife. It was a tear jerker, though I could not stand the daughter.

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Victoria Silverwolf wrote:
We probably don't mean multiple adaptations of very familiar written material, in situations where the book or play is being adapted rather than a previous film being remade. What I mean, for example, is that the countless versions of A Christmas Carol probably don't count. However, Ben-Hur is a good example, because the remakes seem to be based on the earlier films rather than Lew Wallace's novel.

By this definition, I'd say the 1941 version of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde (the one from MGM, with Spencer Tracy in the title roles) qualifies. Its main source is plainly the 1931 Paramount movie with Frederic March as Jekyll and Hyde, rather than Robert Louis Stevenson's novella. The Paramount version in turn is most directly based on the Famous Players-Lasky interpretation from 1920 starring John Barrymore (which stands to reason, since Paramount began as the latter company's distribution arm).

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Charnelhouse wrote:
Google and Wikipedia are wonderful things...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... %E2%80%93M)


Broken link. Try this one:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_film_remakes

This is a place to start, but it needs some thought to answer the original question. First of all, it doesn't deal entirely with remakes-of-remakes-of-originals. Secondly, I'd say that not all of these qualify as remakes. (Alice in Wonderland of 1951 and the Tim Burton version? Not really.) Of course, it doesn't deal with how "successful" they might be.

Thanks for a useful and interesting link!

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Totally blanked on War of the Worlds. The original book, radio adaptation, and then the the 1953 film, 1988 TV, and 2005 film versions. I'd say all of them minus the TV version were successful on some level.

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Victoria Silverwolf wrote:
First of all, it doesn't deal entirely with remakes-of-remakes-of-originals.


Most aren't, but any time there's multiple entries in the 'Remakes' column there's your remake of a remake.

I just noticed some Asylum 'premakes' in there - not sure if those are what the OP had in mind...

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Well, define "successful." Do you mean box office successful, or worth watching successful? The movie Hairspray, based on the stage musical Hairspray, based on the movie Hairspray, is a bit of a tripleheader.

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Good point. In the movie-to-play-to-movie cycle, we also have The Producers.

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This is one I liked from the list: Yojimbo to Fistful of Dollars to Last Man Standing.

And since we last spoke, a new one has emerged: The Seven Samurai - The Magnificent Seven (Yul Brynner) - The Magnificent Seven (Denzel Washington).

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Peter Jackson's remake of King Kong followed the 1976 Dino De Laurentiis King Kong which of course was a remake of the 1933 classic King Kong.

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Bergerjacques wrote:
This is one I liked from the list: Yojimbo to Fistful of Dollars to Last Man Standing.

And since we last spoke, a new one has emerged: The Seven Samurai - The Magnificent Seven (Yul Brynner) - The Magnificent Seven (Denzel Washington).


Yojimbo to Fistful of Dollars to Warrior and the Sorceress to Last Man Standing to Rogue Assassin aka War.

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